The issue of experience
I found this on the net. It lists the only known concrete experience Hillary has in what could be considered a security situation. I have been outside the states for many years, frankly, I have missed those TV attack adds, like the ringing red phone.
I do respect Senator Clinton. I think she is very smart and capable. However, I think Senator Obama is more the symbol that the country needs at the moment. In my mind, they both have the same experience, they are both Senators. In my thinking, First Wife does not count for all that much. And if only she did not have Bill for baggage. I also respect former President Clinton. But he should stay retired. With the Bushes, I have seen enough of dynasties.
The thing is, McCain is nuts with his ideas of 100 years of war. The Middle Eastern wars are already hopelessly lost. The thing for all Dems to do is pull together and pull the nation out of the Middle East. Otherwise, America well founder on the reefs.
Posted: March 6th, 2008 under Afghanistan, Hillary, Iraq, McCain, Obama.
Comments: 14
Comments
Comment from Norb Michaud
Time: March 7, 2008, 7:37 am
Where was Hillary when Monica called? In denial?
Comment from Caj
Time: March 7, 2008, 8:01 am
Seems that the 100 year war issue is fomenting at the WH as we speak. The bushcos are contemplating relieving General Fallon from his command as early as this summer. (See Esquire mag; March 12).
Fallon opposed the “surge” in Iraq and has vowed an attack on Iran will “not happen on my watch”. Fallon cannot be on the the petulant commander in chief’s MySpace site as a BFF if he doesn’t stifle hisself.
With Fallon out of the way, the WH (Cheney and his puppet) can move on Iran and, indeed, continue the mess in the Mideast ad infinitum.
An Iran attack, with the usual trumped up fear mongering and half truths, coming during or just after the conventions, should really bring the issue of experience into clear focus and have the people running for the shelter of a 100 year war.
Comment from timr
Time: March 7, 2008, 9:57 am
Caj, Fallon is an Admiral(Navy), not a general. And I don’t think that gwb can fire him, as he was appointed by the senate-as are all general officers-but they can say that they will not reappoint him to the job-each general officer appointment lasts for 2 years(I am pretty sure on this) for a lot more general and specific information on the military check out military.com, a good general information site.
Comment from Sasha
Time: March 7, 2008, 10:34 am
timr, he can be relieved by the Commander in Chief any damn time Cheney wants him gone. Sad but true.
Comment from Max
Time: March 7, 2008, 10:52 am
The machinations against Fallon are quite true. The hardline faction under Cheney are determined to get their war no matter how much damage it does to the US. Please see my previous post here on prospective casualties if we attack Iran.
General Ordierno is the Neocon’s boy. He was in command of the 4th Infantry Division in the initial invasion. His very oppressive behavior helped kick off the insurgency, although I think the insurgency would have happened no matter what we did. He is the one who keeps screaming the loudest about Iran.
At this time, I believe he is second in command in Iraq.
Comment from timr
Time: March 7, 2008, 11:15 am
Sasha, yes he can, but would it be possible? He tried to fire Shinseki(sp) but never really succeeded, but if he does I rather doubt that the other general officers who gwb might try to appoint would ever be cleared by the senate. Also, most-not all, but most-O 7’s(general/admiral) and above, are very against any military move against Iran, for any reason. I don’t know what would happen if gwb ordered an attack against Iran, but I do know it would not be pretty. Lots of general officers would take the step of resigning before carrying out such an order. In point of fact, such an order might be deemed illegal by the JAG, in which case the military would be duty bound not to enforce it.
This is a matter of some discussion here in military city-lots and lots of retired generals-and the vast majority are very against. These people retain their security clearances, and even after retirement are subject to recall, in fact one retired general from SA was recently wounded in Iraq. Overall, I think that an attack on Iran could be the very worst thing for the US, it might-or might not-even wake up the repigs to the fact that gwb is insane, but when Iran retaliates, and possibly sinks an aircraft carrier, then all hell would break loose. A premptive attack on Iran would be the most idiotic move by the military since Custer was wiped out. It would bring untold damage to the US for many years.
Comment from timr
Time: March 7, 2008, 11:19 am
presented without comment, it speaks for itself. The surge, did it work?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18722376/the_myth_of_the_surge
Comment from Nosebetter
Time: March 7, 2008, 12:51 pm
Sasha: Bush is the “Decider” in this country. 
Comment from Sasha
Time: March 7, 2008, 1:18 pm
Well somebody has to be the decider. Apparently he is also the tap dancer.
Comment from Max
Time: March 7, 2008, 2:36 pm
Sasha, and he is hopeless at dancing too. No rhythm.
Comment from Scrub Lady
Time: March 8, 2008, 4:28 am
Comment from Norb Michaud
Time: March 7, 2008, 7:37 am
Where was Hillary when Monica called? In denial?
………. reply
Prabably washing the shit stains out of Bill’s underwear the same as your wife does your’s Norb. Any more silly questions ?
Comment from timr
Time: March 8, 2008, 11:20 am
the true banality of evil, as the germans did in WWII, so we now enter the slippery slope, where it is now apparently US policy to torture people. And his veto will be sustained. This is what unreasoned fear does to people, and st john refused to vote against gwb on this issue. What are we becoming? How can this love of torture be reversed? How can this be public policy? We should be totally ashamed. gwb and cheney should both go to prison for this. Will the world just stand by and let us continue our free fall to the bottom?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_TORTURE?SITE=NYONI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
This is the most horrible thing that gwb has ever done. And the repig party agrees with him. God help us.
Comment from Max
Time: March 8, 2008, 1:56 pm
As everyone can tell from my name, I am an ethnic German. Yet for so many years as a child in America, I lived through conversations of people about WWII that went something like this:
“There is just something wrong with those Germans, it is in their genes. What they did in WWII, it could never happen here in America.”
Well it has. And now when America tries to lecture about some nation’s human rights behavior, the laughter is clearly audible.
Comment from Nosebetter
Time: March 8, 2008, 2:45 pm
Max: The Germans were nothing special for cruelty in times of war. History is full of much worse. WWII concentration camps have just received more air play in the last sixty years. In fact, look at what goes on in Africa today.
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